The Coalition of the Swilling

Very interesting.

It only takes a few people to control an organization, and grass roots movements are most easily liable to be controlled by people without the spirit of the movement in mind. It looks like here someone just got on the email list and named himself the boss.

In the Spanish Civil War, the government and its military were generally sociallist, but only in a mild euro way. The Soviets came into the war and by using very specific leverage got one of their people in a prominent position in each battalion, not necessarily as battalion commanders, and managed to control the entire army and the government this way.

It's well known that most leftist protests are dominated and controlled by radical groups, often communist groups, because they have the money and time to do the organizing.

It looks like the same method might be in the works for the tea party movement. Because there is no leader of the movement, no single, or at least united and recognizable voice to direct it, it can easily be subverted by the means shown here.

I don't think this is a well meaning email at all. I think it is quite dangerous.

But then again, since no one has risen to become a leader of this movement it's pretty much doomed to not amount to anything anyway.

What are they trying to pull where the numbers are bigger?

If this is typical, they don't need to infiltrate Agent Provocateurs....they're already in place as Democrats.

The question I have for you, THS, is now that you recognize an agent provacateur, what are you going to do about it? Just pointing him out can completely disrupt the protest all by itself. Without recognized leadership in the teabag movement, these agents have already succeeded in their infiltration and attempting to remove them will not help the movement one bit.

I've just emailed a 'teaparty' person with:

Please forgive the terse tone, but I have to ask: WHO is supposedly running this? Because IF it's the Adam character who just emailed us all with etiquette directions...the RON PAUL operative Adam...then this is a total and complete hijacking of our event and sentiments. And I will be glad to stand on a street corner all by my loneself.

And I will. I'll be curious to see.

Well, the one good fellow who got to the punch before me deserves all the credit. And, unfortunately, he's reaping the ire from his "reply all", but I sent a him congrats for the catch.

You're right, Skyler. Whacha gonna do? Just hope that folks on that really puny email list ask themselves "wait a minute" and either meet me at the Courthouse vice the "organized" spot.

Or don't show at all. Plus, I'm gonna call Jeff Miller's office in the morning, since he was supposed to be there.

"Good fellow" here. No credit due; I just got there first.

Emails are about evenly divided among Howard Beale agreement, quivering we-beggars-can't-be-choosers minimizing, and suggestions I educate myself regarding our true puppet-masters.

We have met the enemy, etc.

(Clarification ~ "Good fellow " only in the "we're all in this together" sense. SHE's quite an entertaining wit of the female persuasion in fact.)

Hi, Leigh! How's that Inbox looking this morning...?{8^P

Leigh - so, at least you're getting some entertainment from the Ronulans... if you can call it that.

MOST excellent picture, btw, Ms. Sister! I hope your protests are profitable. Come Nov 2010 we should all have a national Tea Party - instead of tossing barrels of tea into Boston Harbor we can toss actual Congressmen into the Potomac.

You should've received the latest email installment from Ronulan A. by now, as well as my response. I'll leave it to you to choose whether to post it. I still have to get into the shower.

Either he's got serious problems reading and writing English, or he's knowingly engaging in disinformation-campaign libel.

I like your alternate-location idea.

And I'm getting emails agreeing and wondering "where on the other side of town?"

Remember what I said about McCain signs on the corners of Palafox and Garden...?

At least, I think I said it. It got kinda late...

I just checked the speaker schedule for the Phoenix, AZ tea party and along with some of the local radio guys and at least one congressman (Shadegg), there's also going to be Ernie Hancock, local libertarian fruitcake and (yes) 9-11 Truther.

Does anyone on this blog know where the LEGITIMATE organiser of this demonstration is? Thanks to Mr. "A", those of us who have been suckered in by this d@uche really are split on where the meeting place is. A number of us have talked about going on our own to the Court House as originally planned, but are we going to be the only ones there? If anyone can steer us to the "official" spokesperson of the demonstration, it would be greatly appreciated...

As one of the "Paulians" you slander in your post, I feel I have to speak up. I've heard a lot of chatter about this over the past few days, and some things NEED to be clarified.

First off, we are NOT taking over anything! The original organizer had worked closely with the Campaign for Liberty member and decided to hand off the responsibility to him. You can contact him if you don't believe me. I spoke to him just tonight.

Why did he do this?? Because we are ACTIVE. We care enough to stand up and do something. Our group has been fighting for these things for the past year and more. We (and for the record, Ron Paul) have been saying these thing about the bailouts, taxes, and the unconstitutional (Article 1, sec. 8) Federal Reserve and IRS. It sometimes feels like people like YOU are trying to steal OUR party!

The people we're working with in the Republican Executive Committee appreciate us as well. They have access to the MeetTheTruth site and know we're "Ron-Paulers". It's not a big deal. All of us are working together because this goes far beyond petty party talking points and personal disagreements.

The only thing hindering progress here is ignorant and knee-jerk personal attacks. If you don't want to help because of your petty biases, THEN DON'T. But don't stand in the way of those of us who are trying to make a difference.

Oh and, for the record, the original organizer is the one responsible for the meeting change, not the current one.
There will be 2 events; one at the mall and a march downtown.

The location of the Pensacola Tea Party was changed by Mr.B before Mr.A contacted us. This change was not done by Mr.A. I received a letter from Mr.B stating the change because of permits and the lengthy process to get them. There is alot of traffic in front of the mall and not such a bad location. WHAT is the big deal??? Yes, the courthouse might have been better, but then there is next time. A bad peanut spoils a mouth full of good ones. L. get over yourself!!!

Does anyone on this blog know where the LEGITIMATE organiser of this demonstration is?

Nope, unfortunately. He seems to appear only on TV, in the paper or speaking to some of the folks who've commented after you. We're as "stuck" as you are. And, as of TODAY, the 14th, new "organizer" Mr. A* STILL has the Courthouse location on his Pensacola Campaign for Liberty pages, with RSVP'S for the same as late as yesterday.

Oh and, for the record, the original organizer is the one responsible for the meeting change, not the current one.

There will be 2 events; one at the mall and a march downtown.

Well, dang EJ. Thanks for the heads up, since that little gem hasn't been passed to the folks ~ like "stuck" ~ who thought we were all in this together. Guess we never HAVE been and A* has been duplicitous in his emails, since he never mentioned the alternative at the Courthouse. I could construe that as an "agenda".

Ya just gotta ask yourself if we're being played here.

(Oh, please, Paulian children. "Slander"? How quaint and droll. Everything I've written or quoted here is a FACT. In FACT, it is such FACT that Mr. A* removed every trace of his affiliations from his consequent emails, a FACT that I noted in a personal email to him.

I love how someone who points out the obvious is a "bad peanut."

The location of the Pensacola Tea Party was changed by Mr.B before Mr.A contacted us.

And you see information to the contrary where here?)

Also, for the record, the reason the large focus changed back to the mall was because the "troublemakers" you hate so much went to the work of checking out the actual permit process, and "Mr. B" was misled about the permits. Yes, we need a permit for the memorial plaza, but for everywhere else, the only ordinance is a nighttime noise ordinance. Let your bitterness and immature biases spoil it for you if you want, but we're not going to be stopped by slander.

The original organizer had worked closely with the Campaign for Liberty member and decided to hand off the responsibility to him.

"Campaign for Liberty" = Ron Paul, who apparently is He Who Shall Not Be Named.

So. Why so coy about the Ronulan connection? How "closely" did these two work together? Where and when? Is our original organizer a Truther, a Bircher, or just a useful idiot?

A bad peanut spoils a mouth full of good ones.

I couldn't agree more. Control of this event by crackpot fringers is poisoning the entire message.

Gosh, you're angry and slanderous. I'm neither immature nor bitter and have stated nothing but FACT.

And, if that's "all" you need, and that Mr. A* is working for ALL of us, why haven't ALL of us been told that we need to be at the Courthouse and that it was ALL a big misunderstanding?

Seems you ALL have kinda your own agenda. Would ALL of us on the original email list cramp your style, so schmaybe why ALL the rest of us hadn't heard about the change?

Go away.

There is posting on the taxdayteaparty site and also under florida groups in the We Surround Them for the change of location. They have been there for a week and a half.

Really? How interesting considering Mr. A*'s email that started this whole brouhaha, saying "I am thankful to J B for getting the location organized and getting notice to the TV and newspapers..." went 'round to the list only FOUR days ago.

And, since I'm sure a majority of the group is depending on email updates, there have been no corrections emailed to the contrary in that time.

Puh-LEEZ.

Oh,I almost forgot..what did Jeff Miller say when you said that you were going to call his office? Did he tell you where he would be? WHAT DID HIS OFFICE TELL YOU??

They were very nice, could not confirm any appearence schedulings, have spoken to all sides and are aware of the differing viewpoints.

Lovely lady on the other end of the phone.

Going back through my old e-mail, I found Mr. B.s letter to location change. It was dated April 3rd.
Hey, I do not want to get in a kickin' contest w/you. Not my intention. Just stating facts.
Have a good day.
Again..any follow-up w/Mr. Miller's office? What did they say??

Ok..Thanks. Just got ur reply about Miller.

Mine's dated Apr 2:

Apr 2 (11 days ago) Reply

Hello Everyone,
Due to jurisdictional problems our location had to be changed for the Tea Party on April 15. It was on Palafox & Garden but has now been moved to:

7100 block of N. Davis Highway

This is in front of the University Mall between Sears Auto Center and Firestone. The time is still 3:00 PM until 6:00 PM. Please tell your friends of the change. Please bring signs or posters with large letters and short messages designed to be read by passing motorists.

"Not get in a kickin' contest"? Are you kidding me, clementine, caps and all?

And the facts? Exactly as I've blogged.

As for the march location, again, it wasn't changed by "A"... the original organizer, John Baker, changed it. (btw, any reason we're not using names? That seems stupid.) I'm actually NOT on the email list, I'm just very involved in local politics and have been working with the REC, John Baker, C4L, etc. so I hear these things as they happen. I don't know why the emails didn't get sent out, I can assume that there was a delay in getting all the contact information transferred between organizers? Just a guess, again, I'm not on the list.

Also, I think everyone knows that the Ron Paul campaign = Campaign for Liberty. I don't think ppl were trying to keep anything secret. The only ones who act like RP is "the one who can't be named" are the antagonizers here. The REC, Fair Tax group, Smart Girl Politics, and the rest all know who we are and don't have any problem.

I think using phrases like "crackpot fringers" is pretty insulting, if not slanderous. Just sayin.

Also, as someone who's employed and a full-time student, and takes time to be at SO many events and planning sessions, and has been involved since the start on the inside, it's frankly a bit insulting to have attendees of an event you helped organize say "you're taking over 'our' event!"

The people we're working with in the Republican Executive Committee appreciate us as well. They have access to the MeetTheTruth site and know we're "Ron-Paulers". It's not a big deal.

Name of these "people"?

[crickets]

Just for grins, say this is not complete BS.

The fact that local Republican organizers have chosen to ally with teh crayzee right-wing equivalent of Code Pink and ACORN is supposed to make me feel better about...whom, exactly?

The people we're working with in the Republican Executive Committee appreciate us as well. They have access to the MeetTheTruth site and know we're "Ron-Paulers". It's not a big deal.

Name of these "people"?

[crickets]

Just for grins, say this is not complete BS.

The fact that local Republican organizers have chosen to ally with teh crayzee right-wing equivalent of Code Pink and ACORN is supposed to make me feel better about...whom, exactly?

Also, someone asked what our original organizer is...? I don't know. He moved to the area a few years ago and was involved in some Tea Parties in South Florida is my understanding. No, he's not a "Pauler" or a Bircher, but he's willing to work with us because we're active and have common goals.

I guess I should add a disclaimer that I haven't used names because I don't want to cause needless trouble for the people involved.

But Troy Schoonover, president of the Pensacola Republican club is one who's worked with us, along with the original organizer, John Baker, and also the leader of the Fair Tax group (idk his name) and the leader of "Smart Girl Politics" and members of the Glenn Beck meetup.

You're so knee-jerk... how exactly are we the "crayzee right-wing equivalent of Code Pink and ACORN"? Beyond nifty phrases you think up, do you know anything about our group?

So be insulted, since you can't be bothered to read and comprehend the simplest thing, like, for instance, how the two of you keep chirping, "As for the march location, again, it wasn't changed by "A"..."

And I keep asking you "And you see information to the contrary where here?" Perhaps I shouldn't confuse the issue, since you can neither understand post nor answers I've left in these very comments:

NOwhere in any of these have I said Mr. A* changed the venue to the Mall. NO. WHERE.

Capiche? Get it? So please leave that canard off your paragraphs.

As well as this self-congratulatory, but untrue statement: "Also, I think everyone knows that the Ron Paul campaign = Campaign for Liberty"

Ah...NO. They DON'T. And that was the genesis of the Tea Party itself. That REGULAR FOLKS, who never came out for anything in their lives, could stand on a corner with the magic-markered grievance of their choice, with all other sorts of folks. Spontaneous. Those folks ~ a fair amount of them on that email list ~ have no clue what Ron Paul's followers call themselves in any incarnation. No. Clue.

Now, "crackpot fringers" was directly in reference to Mr. A*'s affiliation with Meet the Truth. They are, indeed, conspiratorial "crackpots". Not slanderous in any sense ~ it's descriptive. Like "tin foil helmet".

And good for you, being so involved. I'm sure that takes a great deal of commitment in time and energy. But don't confuse YOUR particular view of the world with the reality of the situation. We didn't ASK to be "organized". We just wanted to know where we could stand with like minded others.

That wouldn't be your group.

Oh, and Women for Responsible Legislation and the REC in general are co-sponsors.

I am getting out of this place...not helping anything. A person can be told something over and over again..but just don't get it.
Again..Again..."A" DID NOT CHANGE THE LOCATION!!!
Did you bother checking out the sites that I referred to?
YES.."B" sent out a letter.
This is a waste of my time..just trying to set the record straight, but some people will never listen, REGARDLESS.
Bekah..I think you are wasting your time here also. Plain talk does not help. Explaining does not help.
"A's" letter was sent out on April 9.
'B"s" letter was sent out on the 3rd .

Hahahaha! Oh, Lord, you're hilarious.

How lovely to be young and clueless.
"A person can be told something over and over again.."

You're telling me?

Go away, sweet thing.

Yes. I am wasting my time, and possibly causing trouble for other third-parties. I will stop after this because I have more important things to do, mainly final exam homework. This is a waste of time.

The reason I keep mentioning that he didn't change the location is because posters keep accusing him of "hijacking the event" by intentionally confusing people. Someone said they'd "blame it on this douchebag." Uh, sorry, that's worth responding to. We are just as confused as anyone.

I personally know the mysterious Meet the Truth man you're so afraid of. :P I've known him and been in the meetup for over a year. But I don't agree with everything on his site, and the site is done completely independently of the Campaign for Liberty(Ron Paul) meetup. And the discussion on whether you can actually refute any of that information as opposed to just insulting it is best saved for another time.

It's time to look past petty disagreements and work together. In the past year we(the Ron Paul Campaign for Liberty) HAVE had some truly crazy people hijack our local meetup at times, and it's been very frustrating and difficult to move past. I sympathize with your fears -- but you're pointing fingers at people who are just trying to help!

I've been a Republican my whole life. I AM likeminded with many of the people I'm working with. Only being active when every single person agrees with you 100% is just wrong.

One note: all the comments aren't from me. The comment about "someone can be told something over and over" wasn't made by me but it showed up as my name for some reason.

And the comment by "tree hugging sister" is from me. I have no clue how the name was changed.

Apparently white supremacists also think they have "common goals" with Paul.

Call me persnickety, but nothing is enough to get me to associate with truthers and haters and their allies. Aside from meaning I'd have to scour myself with bleach after every encounter, I'm not about to feed the gator in hopes he'll eat me last.

"the mysterious Meet the Truth man you're so afraid of."

Coincidentally, that very same Meet the Truth man emailed me,

"If you are afraid to take a stand for what you believe, because I am involved then you have surrendered already.

-a*

And I will tell you EXACTLY what I told him.

And don't be so quick with the "afraid to take a stand", little man. I just prefer not to stand with you and your affiliations as the face/go-to-guy of the protest.

Well, that's nice. "Little man." Oh, you hit the nail on the head with that one! Very mature.

Fyi, this comment comes from "Bekah" -- your comments are all mixed up.

Of course, the ONE WHITE SUPREMACIST! I've never heard that before *rolls eyes* Seriously... white supremacists and racists were associated with the McCain campaign... does that mean IT was a racist campaign? I don't think so! You can't control who associates themselves with you... like the white supremacists, we HAVE had truly insane folks take the Ron Paul name. There's nothing you can do about that but move forward.

Of course, the ONE WHITE SUPREMACIST!

Nice try. Before you respond again, try googling "logical fallacies".

Bill White, host of neo-nazi Vanguard News Network. Don Black runs Stormfront. Edgar Steele, Aryan Nation attorney, radio personality and author of this disgusting screed. David Duke had kind things to say. Hundreds and thousands of commenters on every white-supremacist website out there.

First question: Why does "Doctor" Paul seem to attract so many neonazis but get public support from their leaders? What's so appealing about him to Truthers and fluoride-conspiracy nuts?

Now: Why hasn't Paul ever repudiated them? You know, "These people think they have something i common with me. They're wrong. They're evil. They stand for everything I'm against. I won't let them ride on my coattails, and I won't take their blood money."

Here's an answer: Try reading Paul's 1980s-90's newsletters. I don't expect you to know about those, Beckah. Back then you were still in Pampers.

Two options here: Either you're genuinely clueless about who you're riding in harness with, or whatever, uh, philosophical differences you have with these monsters really don't bother you. I don't know which is worse.

Either way, I'm about done with pig-wrestling here.

Oh. The newsletters published under his name over 10 years ago? He's repudiated that and the white supremacists, on numerous occasions, and strongly.
Nelson Linder of the NAACP even came out and defended him on that issue.

He actually is a Doctor, btw, was an OBGYN for decades and never performed one abortion.

ANY campaign will attract fringe radicals and racists. The Paul campaign was the only one who had its contributors dug through and paraded around though. Did you know that Norma Jean McCorvey, the original Jane Roe, came out in support of Ron Paul? Or that he received the most donations in a day ever? Or that he received the most contributions from military members?

So, using your logic... what is it about Ron Paul that attracts those pro-lifers and military members??

Oh, btw, I'm not Leigh. The above post and this come from "Bekah". I don't know why your site keeps mixing up usernames.

Just scanned the Ron Paul Site...he wants to audit the Fed Reserve. My kinda guy!!! KMA!!!

Could not help but to return here and visit "Night of the Living Dead"

You did not stand guard for the past few years, you allowed a "conservative" to pass "socialist" laws (PD-51) and you did not hold the feet of our elected officials to the fire. You are a Johnny-come-lately, so do not claim to be active, do not claim that our country was fine until late January, Wake up and become an active part of the solution, or continue being part of the partisan problem. You are on the path of blind partisan ignorance... A pervert with a [R] behind his name is OK in your book, and a Statesman with a [D] is still classified as "the problem". Return the Republican Party to its foundation of limited spending, pro-life(not pro-war), the Constitutional Rule of Law, and truly Free markets, not regulated for Corporate profits.

BTW, I challenge you to find 1 factual error on the http://MeetTheTruth.com website, if you have the fortitude to look at the truth.
-A*

Call me persnickety, but nothing is enough to get me to associate with truthers and haters and their allies. Aside from meaning I'd have to scour myself with bleach after every encounter, I'm not about to feed the gator in hopes he'll eat me last.

Well then I guess you better quit the Republican party, because those Ron Paul supporters are Republicans!! Seriously you are so immature it's actually entertaining reading your posts. Ron Paul supporters are conservative and support conservative ideals. All of their ideas are linked to a conservative view point, and no 9/11 Truth is not part of Ron Paul's position. If you don't want to affiliate yourself with conservatives like Ron Paul supporters, then just quit the Republican party and don't show up to any more conservative protests. Because wherever there is the chance for us (Ron Paul supporters) to spread out conservative message then we will be there. Deal with it.

Call me persnickety, but nothing is enough to get me to associate with truthers and haters and their allies. Aside from meaning I'd have to scour myself with bleach after every encounter, I'm not about to feed the gator in hopes he'll eat me last.

Well then I guess you better quit the Republican party, because those Ron Paul supporters are Republicans!! Seriously you are so immature it's actually entertaining reading your posts. Ron Paul supporters are conservative and support conservative ideals. All of their ideas are linked can be linked conservative view points, and no 9/11 Truth is not part of Ron Paul's position. If you don't want to affiliate yourself with conservatives like Ron Paul supporters, then just quit the Republican party and don't show up to any more conservative protests. Because wherever there is the chance for us (Ron Paul supporters) to spread our conservative message then we will be there. Deal with it.

What an impressive showing and tremendous turn out at the Tax Day Tea Party on Davis Hwy in front Of University Mall. The divide and conquer tactic did not work.
Gee, no more post here....the gutter snipes have hid under their rocks.

(I do not think that word means what you think it means...)

And if you're not smart enough to know how a blog works, Clementine-or-whoever-is-using-your-puter-today, far be it from me to clue you in. You know...since you don't listen very well anyway.

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