“Come Unto Me, Children”
And witness Thou some shameless pandering for Thine vote unto Me.
Obama to expand Bush’s faith based programs
Says challenges faced today are ‘too big for government to solve alone’
Reaching out to religious voters, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama called for expanding President Bush’s program steering federal social service dollars to religious groups and — in a move sure to cause controversy — supported some ability to hire and fire based on faith.
(Note: The Associated Press initially reported Obama supports “their (faith-based organizations’) ability to hire and fire based on faith.” NBC reports the campaign says Obama’s plan would prevent organizations from discriminating based on faith. The Associated Press changed its wording to say, “some ability to hire and fire based on faith.” The campaign says this second version is still inaccurate.)
Politics | tree hugging sister | 
July 1, 2008 2:34 pm
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I wish I had one of those airline bags handy. These two are the best our system can produce?
With the informal variant of “you,” shouldn’t the verb ending for “witness” be changed? I mean, shouldn’t you say, “witnesseth Thou?” Or something like that? I mean, I’m just asking, that’s all. You know. Because I am a pedant. And like, shouldn’t “thine” properly be “thy?” I mean, you would say “my” and not “mine” and the rules should be similar, I think. You know, because I’m a pedant and all.
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Obama, The MasterPander™.
If he’s reaching out, I’m recoiling in horror.
Ya know, if the turks can keep church and state seperated, why the hell do we find it so hard? Jackasses.
To borrow from Rachel Lucas – NO YOU CAN’T!
Ebola, the Turks (i.e., the Turkish military) have kept religious fanatics from taking over the secular government. That’s about it. They haven’t (AFAIK) tried to “separate” church and state.
The common denominator between church and state are people. Some have faith, some don’t. Many cultures are based on religsion. But there’s no way you can separate church and state without separating the people, or cutting out the culture. Separating people (i.e., denying rights) would be against the Constitution, IIRC. Cutting out culture…..why? And that goes against the so-called “multi-cultural” concept. Unless it’s a Christian based culture, I mean.
What you CAN do is prevent any one relgion from becoming the official church, and thus becoming equal to the government. In part, this is what happened in England (i.e., the now defunct Church of England), and something the Founding Fathers were against (as per the First Amendment…the ONLY place in the Constitution where “religion” is mentioned).
Some of the Founding Fathers had strong opinions on this matter, and wrote about this in subsequent publications (the Federalist Papers, I believe). But nowhere is there any official separation of church and state in law…until the 20th Century, and the advent of the ACLU. You might want to think about that.
PS:
I would remind everyone that I view this move by The Messiah™ as a purely cynical and political ploy to pander to centrists (plus or minus a standard deviation). I question His™ motives, not the concept.