Good God
*update see below*
ths update redux: In my comment, I (with Ebola’s “pithy” assistance) clarify WHAT the Courts Martial order seems to be in response to, which is what I suspected when Bingley first emailed me. Breitbart is indulging in a shameless bit of revolting flamethrowing without any thought for the facts this sprung from.
And this has been by NO MEANS limited to evangelical influence in the Air Force, although they seem to have been the most egregious abusers. For instance, Marine Commandant Gen Krulak started “voluntary” prayers breakfasts at Headquarters Marine Corps when he arrived…and no one went. Guess what became “MANDATORY”?
Do you think the local Sgt. Druid would dare complain?
It’s wrong, plain and simple. Not “ANTI-GOD, Christ, Mary, Joseph, or the mules” they road in to Bethlehem on.
But it is desperately WRONG to COMPEL someone’s attendence at YOUR RELIGIOUS SERVICE/MEETING/handholding ceremony through dint of your SUPERIOR rank and/or position, if they have no wish nor religious fervor to be there, or do not believe as you do.
As far as enforcement, sure, sure, it’ll be mostly the “Christians” thrown to the lions ~ you betcha. But there’s two things that don’t worry me about that right now. First and foremost, it HAS BEEN THE EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS who have been the thugocracy, so consider them warned. After ALL these years of harrassment complaints litigation, they are STILL wielding their cabal-like power in insidious ways with impunity, so weed them out and clean it up. Secondly, until there’s another religious strain that congeals enough to take hold through ALL the rank and file, I can’t see where you’d have anyone, BUT the current bunch standing tall. They’ve got the numbers and nobody else comes close.
ths again: One more thought: NEVER forget that, in the military, there are potentially DIRE CONSEQUENCES for grudgingly obeying that order to show up at the prayer breakfast/praying before your shift, or snapping and finally telling that superior to “blow it out his posterior”. This isn’t the corner grocery store, where you can walk away, and file a lawsuit. That “shirt”, or stripe, or set of bars above you OWNS YOUR ASS. LITERALLY.
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We are beyond doomed
Breaking: Pentagon Confirms May Court Martial Soldiers Who Share Christian Faith
The Pentagon has released a statement confirming that soldiers could be prosecuted for promoting their faith: “Religious proselytization is not permitted within the Department of Defense…Court martials and non-judicial punishments are decided on a case-by-case basis…”.
The statement, released to Fox News, follows a Breitbart News report on Obama administration Pentagon appointees meeting with anti-Christian extremist Mikey Weinstein to develop court-martial procedures to punish Christians in the military who express or share their faith.
(From our earlier report: Weinstein is the head of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, and says Christians–including chaplains–sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ in the military are guilty of “treason,” and of committing an act of “spiritual rape” as serious a crime as “sexual assault.” He also asserted that Christians sharing their faith in the military are “enemies of the Constitution.”)
Being convicted in a court martial means that a soldier has committed a crime under federal military law. Punishment for a court martial can include imprisonment and being dishonorably discharged from the military.
The Left wants to completely destroy the fabric of this country. I don’t see how one can even argue this point.
15 year-olds can give themselves abortions without notifying their parents, but don’t you DARE talk to a 25 year-old fellow soldier about God.
**UPDATE**: here are what are purported to be the latest regulations. If this is true than frankly I don’t see what Breitbart is getting all excited about:
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2.11.
Government Neutrality Regarding Religion.
Leaders at all levels must balance constitutional protections for an individual’s free exercise of religion or other personal beliefs and the constitutional prohibition against governmental establishment of religion. For example, they must avoid the actual or apparent use of their position to promote their personal religious beliefs to their subordinates or to extend preferential treatment for any religion. Commanders or supervisors who engage in such behavior may cause members to doubt their impartiality and objectivity. The potential result is a degradation of the unit’s morale, good order, and discipline.
Airmen, especially commanders and supervisors, must ensure that in exercising their right of
religious free expression, they do not degrade morale, good order, and discipline in the Air Force or degrade the trust and confidence that the public has in the United States Air Force.
2.12.
Free Exercise of Religion and Religious Accommodation.
Supporting the right of free exercise of religion relates directly to the Air Force core values and the ability to maintain an effective team.
2.12.1.
All Airmen are able to choose to practice their particular religion, or subscribe to no
religious belief at all. You should confidently practice your own beliefs while respecting
others whose viewpoints differ from your own.
2.12.2.
Your right to practice your religious beliefs does not excuse you from complying
with directives, instructions, and lawful orders; however, you may request religious
accommodation. Requests can be denied based on military necessity. Commanders and
supervisors at all levels are expected to ensure that requests for religious accommodation are
dealt with fairly.
If these are the current rules then I have no problem with them whatsoever.
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I am anything but religious, but this scares the crap out of me. We are but a few steps away from outright persecution for being faithful to the Christian religion.
Pogroms, anyone?
At work so can’t look into it and Ebola is exploding about it, for the opposite reason ~ that it’s being blown out of proportion, BECAUSE of the Evangelicals that have literally been terrorizing AirForce members, from recruits to the Academy. I’m researching as soon as I get home.
Well, those are the current regs, but do you trust a screechy little turd like Mikey Weinstein to settle for them?
If the past several decades have shown us anything, they’ve shown that these Speshul Snowflaiks melt upon the slightest warm breeze. Their eggshell-fragile minds are the sole determining factor in any decision to be made by anyone else anywhere. They’re shreds of personality wrapped around a core of resentments. They will make anyone and everyone else pay for any perceived offense.
There ain’t enough tar and feathers for the like of them, nor a long enough rail to ride them out of town upon.
Let me give you the cleaned up version of what I got from Ebola, which is what I suspected I’d get before I got it:
Sorry, but this sh*t is in direct response to the evangelical bullsh*t that’s been going on downrange and even at Basic courses for different branches. Commanders and shirts putting their people in jeopardy and ostracizing them for not sharing their ****** faith and praying with the group. F**k them. Go figure Breitbart spins this as an anti-Christian jihad.
There’s been any number of court cases about this specifically IN the AirForce and I guess there’s NO mechanism to deal with it directly vis a vis UCMJ. And, truth be told, I can’t believe that some form of it hasn’t reared it’s ugly head in the other services as well.
Hmmmmmmm. Thanks, Sis.
Having been on a number of techie 2000-based sites (The End of the World As We Know It) waaaaay back when, I’ll have to say that some Evangelicals need to chill. (Google Gary North and Rushdoony.) I spent much time arguing with the former (the latter was already dead, thank goddess) – and I must say, I’m not sure whether he or an Islamist is preferable as a slavemaster (that being the best we women could hope for under either belief system).
He’s shut up on religion since 2000 passed without a glitch. In fact, he disappeared from all the forums I was frequenting when 2000 came and went. Without any major glitches. Dunno what he thinks now. But he’s still around. Doing economic misinformation.
So, yeah. I’m with Sis and Ebola on this one. Evangelicals are NOT always nice. Depends on the sect -as it does with any religion. (Yes, even Pagans.)
Kathy, whiskey tango foxtrot with ‘slavemasters’? See this is the sort of ignorant crap that us scary bible thumpers rise up and….um … hold prayer vigils. Once we have complete power we’ll make all you wimmins wear…um…pretty much whatever you feel like wearing. Are some christians idiots? Sadly yes. But slavemasters? And to nephew Ebola, sorry you have dealt with many of the idiotic ones.
You know, little brother, it ALSO seems desperately unfair to paint them as “evangelicals”, although that’s the flag they fly under, because ~ here we go ~ it besmirches everyone with that same brush. To my eye, what they’re doing hardly rates such a sacred monicker and all it implies.
I agree that evangelicals are pretty intolerant people, in general. But those bad ones never bothered me more than any other jerks I’ve come across.
If I had to experience what Ebola describes, it wouldn’t take a court martial or a law suit for my opinions to be known quite clearly.
As someone who came to believe in God at age 40, I’ve seen the best and the worst in my brothers and sisters in Christ. There’s really no need to force anyone to come to prayer meetings. I figure that people are going to look at me and my witness, and if I’m doing it right, I’m hoping they think, “Wow, I want that joy/peace/whatever that she has.” Or, as St Francis of Assisi said, “Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.”
Unfortunately for me Julie my “witness” is invariably followed by “protection program”…
LOL Bingley 🙂
Skyler, no offense, but intolerant is such a worthless weasel word anymore. I would say I fall into the evangelical category, so I reckon I would be classed as intolerant by whatever your standards may be. Whatever.
@Crusader
Sorry, but the particular sect that Gary North belonged to DID believe in slavery for anyone not of their belief.
Oh, and women were definitely to always obey the men. They didn’t call that slavery, but…
@Crusader again. YOU are not in that class. Note that I said “some evangelicals”.
Oh, and just so you know, I’ve also managed to diss/insult nutcase members of Islam (easy enough), Judaism (yeah, they DO exist), Hinduism, Buddhism and a LARGE number of new age ‘pagan’ fluffy bunny types.
I’m not a bigot, I hate all other zealots.
“I’m not a bigot, I hate all other zealots.”
I’m not paranoid, but I can’t speak for those people following me 🙂